the zacheus link comes from joe, who i think is back from isreal, which means if god is good, im going to get tranny pop.

AnthonySEaston (11:48:07 PM): zaccheus
AnthonySEaston (11:48:12 PM): what do you make of these guys
AnthonySEaston (11:48:23 PM): they want to talk at the synod for the anglicans
theminorthirds (11:48:30 PM): oh hang on. i'm writing something.
theminorthirds (11:58:49 PM): uh
AnthonySEaston (12:00:03 AM): if queer is a sieres of actions...should they be allowed to talk
theminorthirds (12:00:38 AM): well, first off, they don't seem to have a good grasp on the bible.
AnthonySEaston (12:01:50 AM): no they dont
AnthonySEaston (12:02:00 AM): but then neither does spong or bawer
theminorthirds (12:02:20 AM): When Jesus spoke to the woman caught in adultery, he told her, "I do not condemn you. Go and leave your life of sin" (John 8:11). God's message to us is likewise balanced. Unfortunately, in our experience, the full truth of the Gospel has too often been reduced by its human interpreters to either compassion without righteousness or righteousness without compassion.
theminorthirds (12:02:49 AM): i mean that seems like a total misreading of that passage
theminorthirds (12:02:54 AM): though i don't remember the entire passage
AnthonySEaston (12:03:13 AM): im not sure it is
theminorthirds (12:03:28 AM): it presents jesus
theminorthirds (12:03:33 AM): not condemning someone
theminorthirds (12:03:43 AM): and changing their life
theminorthirds (12:03:48 AM): and they want to
theminorthirds (12:03:53 AM): condemn someone
theminorthirds (12:03:55 AM): and change their life
theminorthirds (12:04:02 AM): without jesus's say-so
theminorthirds (12:04:28 AM): it seems like "going away from sin" there happens when jesus wants it to
theminorthirds (12:04:40 AM): but there is no condemning those he does not divert from "sin"
AnthonySEaston (12:04:53 AM): that said, i think that most people underestimates christs wrath
theminorthirds (12:05:22 AM): well, sure.
theminorthirds (12:05:28 AM): and why is that?
AnthonySEaston (12:05:38 AM): im suprised that they didnt mention the eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven line
theminorthirds (12:05:41 AM): because that isn't an interesting jesus.
AnthonySEaston (12:06:02 AM): i think a morally complicated jesus is an interesting jesus
theminorthirds (12:06:18 AM): sure
theminorthirds (12:06:30 AM): but then you have to sorta give up
theminorthirds (12:06:40 AM): because you get serious mixed messages from him
AnthonySEaston (12:06:50 AM): well, thats crossons point, isnt it
theminorthirds (12:06:50 AM): so you have to stop worrying about it and trust in him
AnthonySEaston (12:06:59 AM): and not giev up, but live in the anxious mystery
theminorthirds (12:07:07 AM): well... that's up to you.
AnthonySEaston (12:07:43 AM): up to xians
theminorthirds (12:08:02 AM): well, individually yes
theminorthirds (12:08:07 AM): jesus clearly goes case by case
theminorthirds (12:08:10 AM): in the bible
theminorthirds (12:08:33 AM): also the entire narrative of the bible is god/jesus learning how to deal with a) fallible people and b) his own temper
theminorthirds (12:09:11 AM): esp as organized
AnthonySEaston (12:09:21 AM): thats the problem, is that the assumption is, that a deeply morally complicated man, who refuses to engage in one law, but is w.i his own tradition, is assumed to give standard council
theminorthirds (12:09:23 AM): or at least up to the gospels
theminorthirds (12:09:38 AM): right
AnthonySEaston (12:09:46 AM): im reading acts, and im wondering how paul did it
theminorthirds (12:10:02 AM): frequent flyer miles up the wazoo
AnthonySEaston (12:10:08 AM): how the missionaries in acts stripped the nuance to make a cohesive mmessage.
AnthonySEaston (12:11:24 AM): maybe thats my problem with it
AnthonySEaston (12:11:27 AM): but eevn paul
AnthonySEaston (12:11:50 AM): the eunuch and phyillis versus its better to be married then burned
AnthonySEaston (12:14:12 AM): so i dont know if there is a choesive message of sexuality in the gospels, and if there isnt, then isnt celibacy another lifestyle option that should be discussed
theminorthirds (12:14:38 AM): it's fine if they want to witness that god turned them away from their whatever
theminorthirds (12:14:48 AM): it's not fine for them to play god and condemn
theminorthirds (12:15:01 AM): it's not fine for them to insist that anyone can be touched by god to turn away from their whatever
AnthonySEaston (12:16:15 AM): but in their experience, they were touched by god to turn away, from what they consider sins, emperically, that is as legitimate as god embraced my cocksucking, no?
theminorthirds (12:18:17 AM): well, yes
AnthonySEaston (12:18:37 AM): and hat narrative should be shared
theminorthirds (12:18:49 AM): god is in that mysterious force that made them no longer interested in cocksucking just like god is in that mysterious force that made you realize it was great to be cocksucking
AnthonySEaston (12:18:50 AM): no matter how much it makes us feel uncofomfortable
AnthonySEaston (12:19:06 AM): well i wouldnt say great...
theminorthirds (12:19:17 AM): megawexxome?!
AnthonySEaston (12:20:16 AM): i would say holy
AnthonySEaston (12:20:23 AM): like ginsberg level holy.
theminorthirds (12:22:08 AM): set apart?
AnthonySEaston (12:23:40 AM): that, and about footnote to howl as well
theminorthirds (12:24:44 AM): oh