glenys has a friend, a quaker, captured in iraq, i will link to a petetion or an address you can send email/mail as soon as i get it. please sign or write. these are qaukers, pacifists and believers in the order of the world, through civilised discussion...they tend toward being martyrs though. i hope to god that they are kept safe...

it is the 16th aniversary of the montreal massacre, where 45 female engineers were killed while attempting a university education. the right has noted over and over again that there are more women then men in classes lately. this is not true of sci and engineering, and even so==when i hear them say that i hear, "you dont belong here". the far end of that arguement is this fellow.