http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/8/1/134457.shtml

look, i know its newsmax, but their russian guy is actually pretty good--aparently putin is somewhat of a thug.

sun rises in the east.

(russian dave talks of going to a conference in indidiana about contemparay russian history, and basically the discussion being that no one had any idea at all what was going on)