AnthonySEaston (12:02:22 AM): my favourite lost classic is on at 1 .
ingreatcaves (12:02:36 AM): what is it?
AnthonySEaston (12:03:23 AM): Star 80, directed by Bob Fosse
ingreatcaves (12:04:13 AM): nice!
AnthonySEaston (12:04:39 AM): im reading this Joan Accocello peice on Fosse, let me find it
AnthonySEaston (12:08:29 AM): Though his motivation often seems naive, he was nonetheless interested in who we actually are. What is forbidden? What is true? Almost everything he did was unpleasant. His work was tacky, pushy, obsessive. He was a hophead. Yet he was a moralist, of a generation that had little hope of innocence.... With all artists, we have to deal with the business of personality versus art, neurosis versus imagination. With Fosse, the imagination is smaller, the neurosis bigger. Still, he was an artist.
AnthonySEaston (12:08:36 AM): she seems to miss the point
AnthonySEaston (12:08:54 AM): the genius of fosse was the refusal of good taste, the burlesque
AnthonySEaston (12:09:05 AM): being tacky, pushy, obsessive, was an amazing gift,
AnthonySEaston (12:09:39 AM): look at the liza special, where she falls apart and reconsitutes herself, does warhol, and judy and everything inb/w
AnthonySEaston (12:09:52 AM): or the sexy nasty fascism of cabaret
AnthonySEaston (12:10:03 AM): Fossee's bad taste saved broadway
AnthonySEaston (12:13:37 AM): opinons?
ingreatcaves (12:17:45 AM): I don't know.
ingreatcaves (12:17:58 AM): I think it's something of it's time, and came to define it
ingreatcaves (12:18:08 AM): and that I'm glad it suceeded.
AnthonySEaston (12:18:08 AM): tell me more
ingreatcaves (12:20:52 AM): I think it's funny that she points out he's a "hop head"
AnthonySEaston (12:21:10 AM): he wasnt really into uppers was he
AnthonySEaston (12:26:38 AM): it got easy to do after a while didnt it
AnthonySEaston (12:26:44 AM): clichey
ingreatcaves (12:27:07 AM): it may have, but maybe not, mayb eit was all one story to him
AnthonySEaston (12:27:45 AM): what was the story
ingreatcaves (12:29:02 AM): people have got something to prove, and they do.
ingreatcaves (12:29:07 AM): it's all about them.
ingreatcaves (12:29:14 AM): they know the world.
ingreatcaves (12:29:28 AM): but it's strictly external.
AnthonySEaston (12:29:31 AM): but they dont really succeed
AnthonySEaston (12:29:42 AM): the chicago girls go to jail, the nazis win
AnthonySEaston (12:29:48 AM): stratten is murdered.
ingreatcaves (12:29:55 AM): in the terms of the show, they're true to themselves.
AnthonySEaston (12:30:40 AM): that doesnt mean they win
ingreatcaves (12:32:54 AM): what do you think they tell themselves?
AnthonySEaston (12:34:41 AM): i think they think they can stop moral decay, that there own moral decay doesnt mean anything about a soceity at large
ingreatcaves (12:36:35 AM): I think that's true.
AnthonySEaston (12:37:33 AM): which is interesting, because they all seem to be having so much fun, like he is a moralist, but he doesnt want to give up on the fucking and the drinking etc
AnthonySEaston (12:37:35 AM): you know
ingreatcaves (12:38:12 AM): "seeming to have fun" is such an obvious "good" not.
ingreatcaves (12:38:54 AM): ...
AnthonySEaston (12:39:08 AM): well most of the 70s seems to be making that mistake
AnthonySEaston (12:39:13 AM): he made that mistake
ingreatcaves (12:40:01 AM): well, you have fun, whether you like it or not, when you're the smartest objects in the universe.
AnthonySEaston (12:40:34 AM): what do you mean
ingreatcaves (12:41:11 AM): there is a strain of "is that all there is?" under the fun.
ingreatcaves (12:41:48 AM): they choose what they want for themselves, and this bob fosse production is it.
ingreatcaves (12:42:51 AM): it sucks a bit, being so self-centered.
ingreatcaves (12:43:37 AM): at least from the outside perspective!
ingreatcaves (12:43:54 AM): ...